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Getting smarter through C-Sections

  • Aug. 21st, 2004 at 2:20 PM
side-beard-flip
Apparently my dad isn't the only one to speculate about this possibility. Head size and birth weight both have strong positive correlations with IQ and with C-sections. We have all sorts of wacky adaptations (ie baby skullbones unfused) to let us pass more grey matter through that little birth canal. Have C-sections loosened this restriction, allowing megacephalic, smarter babies to be born? If so, what will the long-term evolutionary consequences be? Might we become a species that is born only by C-section?

Given the negative consequences of C-sections, I hope they invent the uterine replicator first.

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[info]starling321 wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2004 08:24 pm (UTC)
It turns out that head size is all the correlates to intelligence. Birth weight very weakly correlates to intelligence. Unless the birth weight is very low or very high. (This is taken from the book "What going on in there?" and all the other research that we've read.)
[info]starling321 wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2004 08:26 pm (UTC)
I think I rememeber that a head that is too large proporationally is a possible sign of autism.
[info]magicpacket wrote:
Aug. 22nd, 2004 07:58 am (UTC)
I heard yesterday on TV news (haven't scoured the web yet, but google news turns up plenty of hits for "autism mercury") that it's recently come to light that over the past decade or so, increasing rates of vaccination (most of which contain mercury compounds) have correlated with increasing rates of autism. There are other spins to put on the upward trend in autism, such as increased reporting as the disease became better-known (a la Rainman, for instance) or different diagnosis techniques. The CDC has been reluctant to mention the mercury correlation to the public because they don't want people to refuse all vaccinations for their children and thus create epidemics a few years later of preventable diseases. Oh, and pharmaceutical companies give lots of money to politicians. That too.

Mercury-containing vaccines have been outlawed in at least a few states, and I hear CA is considering that bandwagon.
[info]starling321 wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2004 08:11 am (UTC)
Most studies have shown only a correlation, and even people (docs) who were once huge proponents of the vaccine/autism debate have backed off or recanted. Vaccines do not cause autism. We've dumped lots of research time into this to prove it.

New vaccines do not have mercury in them. No need to outlaw it.

That said there is one small study that shows that thirmisol (mercury) given in small doses to mice that already have the genetic predispostion to autistic symptoms will develop autism. No genetic predisposition= no autism in this case.

As an aside, this is why I look forward to genetical tailored drugs. We'll know what we can and can't tolerate on a genetic level. It can make a large improvement.
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[info]patrissimo wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2004 09:49 pm (UTC)
More recent research
Many studies have shown that low birthweight babies have lower IQ test scores at school age, but a study in this week's BMJ finds that the association between birthweight and childhood IQ also applies to children in the normal range of birth weight.

Researchers at Columbia University, and the New York Academy of Medicine examined the relation between birth weight and measured intelligence at age 7 years in over 3000 children, most of whom had birthweight in the normal range (2500 grams and above).

They found that, on average, IQ at age 7 years was directly related to birth weight among these children, even after factors such as mother's age, race, education and socioeconomic status were taken into account. The association was stronger in boys than girls. For example, a 1000g increase in birth weight related to a 4.6 increase in IQ among boys but only 2.8 points in girls.

http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2001/A/200111086.html
[info]starling321 wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2004 11:11 am (UTC)
Re: More recent research
This does not negate other studies that show that as babies got over 8lbs the effect starts to go away. eg. An 11 lb baby start sees a decrease in IQ.

As an unrelated note, one of many negative effects of a c-section (and I had one) is that women have a decreased success rate at breastfeeding. One reason for this is the milk tends to come in later. As we know, breastfeeding also contributes to an increase in IQ. A much stronger increase.

What we see possibly increasing c-sections as a choice of birth is the perceived convenience of being able to say I will have my baby on such and such day and time.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2004 01:58 pm (UTC)
Re: More recent research
Intriguingly, african-americans breastfeed at a much lower rate than other races in the US, which suggests that the racial IQ gap could be reduced by changing this single behavior.
[info]starling321 wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2004 04:50 pm (UTC)
Re: More recent research
They also have higher rates of STD's which contribute to their much higher rate of premature babies.
[info]martian687 wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2004 09:01 pm (UTC)
I was 4lbs 11oz when I was born. In which direction does birth weight correlate?
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2004 09:49 pm (UTC)
down
See the study cited in another comment. Note the correlation is smaller in girls, and its fairly small - 2.8 pts / Kg, so that would be 1.3pts/Lb.
[info]cubetime wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2004 10:07 pm (UTC)
I was born C-Section, because I refused to spend nine months upside down. Don't know quite what this does for your data...
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2004 11:09 pm (UTC)
um...
it does nothing to the data.
[info]gustavolacerda wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2004 12:01 pm (UTC)
Might we become a species that is born only by C-section?

If you're counting on natural / sexual selection, this would require a reversal of trends. Today "all the stupid people are breeding".
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 03:14 pm (UTC)
"I'd rather have a C-section than be in 'C' section"
- Old Video Only advertising department slogan.

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