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  • Aug. 16th, 2004 at 2:21 AM
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It must be bedtime, I just found myself writing:

Economics is to making good laws as engineering is to making solid buildings, yet politicians and their lawyers rarely consult economists when designing social systems.

Partly this is because social systems fail less dramatically than bridges, and its easier to redirect blame. Partly this is because of an odd hubris in which people who would never attempt to fly a plane, operate on a brain, or install a new water main without being trained think they can influence humans to gain even when its quite plain they're ignorant of the relevant scientific vein. This is insane.

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[info]resipisco wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 03:06 am (UTC)
Insane water mains and plains
And where's that soggy plain?
In Spain!
[info]pmb wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 08:37 am (UTC)
I think that might be because economics (at least at the international level) is such voodoo with competing schools of thought that you can find a "real economist" to supprt just about any view. There are still supply-siders out there - none employed anywhere besides right wing think tanks, and all with theories that most mainstream economist feel are thouroughly discredited - and if the supply siders can survive, then just about anyone can.
[info]iainuki wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 11:32 am (UTC)
I think this is true of most fields, though. Physics has its crackpots, and some of them even end up running successful scams that anyone with any sense would see right through. Biology has creationists. Many of these people have PhDs in the field or a related one.

Disputes in other fields are often easier to settle: physics is usually less ambiguous than economics (though far from unambiguous in many cases). The complexity of human behavior makes special pleading to keep wrong ideas alive much easier in economics than in physics. Also, people seem more inclined to wishful thinking in economics: while physical outcomes are absolute, economics is fuzzier and more susceptible to logic of the form, "If only we could teach people to behave in way X . . ." while ignoring that humans have never behaved in way X and probably never will.

Anyway, my point is that while crackpots exist for all disciplines, it's easier for crackpot economists to get credibility, which is a nuance to your point.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 12:52 pm (UTC)
yes
These are great points. Its harder to disprove bad econ (you do so less thoroughly) so it lasts longer. And I think your second point is even more relevant: economics is a very politicized, romanticized subject (where engineering is not).

But in defense of the scieince, I think most of what is going on is not just wishful thinking. Its that it is often to a politician's benefit to use bad econ, where its much rarer for it to be to their benefit to use bad engineering (an exception would be something like the missile defense program). Its because of how it is used, not the state of knowledge in the field.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 12:47 pm (UTC)
nah
There is far more agreement than disagreement in the economics profession. Yet even when economists agree, they get ignored.
[info]starling321 wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 11:55 am (UTC)
Oh yes, that made me laugh.

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