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Second draft email to Larry/Sergey

  • Jul. 22nd, 2008 at 10:33 AM
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Incorporating your comments & feedback.  This feels much stronger to me, although I'm sure there are some tweaks still to be made (like, I'm not happy with the flow of the first paragraph):
Subject: Farewell to Google, hello to seasteading

Hey Larry & Sergey,

I have a grand vision: to build new city-states in international waters so that people can experiment with a variety of political systems.  I've been fortunate enough to get some funding from Peter Thiel to go work on this seasteading idea full-time.

While it is sad that I will be leaving Google for this endeavour, I see it as a "Googley" goal: a way to make government be less monopolistic and more of a competitive, long tail industry, with far more choice for citizens. More like the web, less like the OS industry.

I want to change the world, and would love any help or guidance you can provide.  You can learn more at our website, www.seasteading.org, and I can be reached at patri@seasteading.org after I leave on July 29th.

Either way, thanks for creating a company which so deeply inspired me over the last 3.5 years!

Comments

[info]ribmeister wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:11 pm (UTC)
Here's hoping it gets past the junk mail filter. :)
[info]carlcoryell wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:17 pm (UTC)
Hi Patri,

your ask seems vague.

I would make a simple short and specific ask: something like: I'm trying to build an advisory board and raise seed funding. I'd like 8 minutes of your time to orient you to the project and see if there are people who you know that I should talk or pitch to. (or ... and see if there are any opportunities for mutual benefit...)

We're building a non-profit to promote the idea and are looking for board members etc...

Come prepared to use the time well, allowing some discussion and then bow out when your time is reached. You can say *alot* in 5 minutes have 3 minutes for questions and be out in under 8 minutes. Or if they like you, the world is your oyster.

best,

Carl
[info]altamira16 wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:27 pm (UTC)
I agree with this. If you want to speak to them about it, you need to be more specific.
[info]bennj wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:44 pm (UTC)
I agree. The e-mail is compelling and interesting, but you need to ask them for something specific, even if it's just a meeting.
[info]uke wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 02:05 am (UTC)
+1
[info]justinowings.com wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
I suspect that email correspondence is preferable to Larry & Sergey; however, why not throw your phone number in there, too? Something about seeing a phone number in an email (to me) grounds the email to the real world. And whether they'd use it or not, it gives them the option. Just a thought.
[info]freelikebeer wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
I like it.
[info]pearmeson wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:26 pm (UTC)
You haven't explicitly asked them to do/choose anything, but the "Either way" intro to the last sentence implies that they will be choosing between one of two alternatives. I would spell out what that choice is, or drop the "Either way".
[info]candid wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:28 pm (UTC)
I think this version sounds too Messianic. (Mostly because of the "I have a grand vision" opener.)
[info]skyfaller wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:41 pm (UTC)
I would agree with candid, that opener is a bit of a turnoff for me. I think it would also be good to have an explicit but easy / not time-consuming ask.

You might also find http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2008/05/19/5-tips-for-e-mailing-busy-people/ to be useful...
[info]eruv wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:47 pm (UTC)
Same.
[info]ripresa wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 09:48 pm (UTC)
thirded this.

and also carl's suggestion to ask for something specific.
[info]dclayh wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:37 pm (UTC)
1. "Hey" sounds too informal for people you've never met.
2. I would drop the "grand" from "grand vision"
3. Replace "Either way" with "Regardless"
[info]eruv wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:47 pm (UTC)
Yes.
[info]jacqueline1776 wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
I would open with a thank you and something nice about Google before launching right into your pitch. Just a sentence or two.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:34 pm (UTC)
That's how the previous version was, but people thought it was too slow to get to the point.
[info]crasch wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:45 pm (UTC)
Dear Larry & Sergey,

Soon I will be leaving Google, to work as director of The Seasteading Institute.

I'm sad to be leaving Google. I feel lucky to have worked here. However, the Institute has been fortunate enough to get some funding from Peter Thiel, so that I can promote seasteading fulltime. As seasteading has been a dream of mine for much of my adult life, it's an opportunity I cannot pass up.

Our goal is to build new city-states in international waters so that people can experiment with a variety of political systems. We hope to make government less monopolistic and more competitive, with far more choice for citizens. More like the web, less like the OS industry.

You can learn more at seasteading.org, and I can be reached at patri@seasteading.org after I leave on July 29th.

Thanks for creating a company which so deeply inspired me over the last 3.5 years!

Patri

P.S. As the director of a new non-profit, I would be remiss if I didn't make the pitch for making a pitch. Would you be willing to meet with me for 15 - 30 minutes? Note that I understand if you're too busy to meet in person. Any help or guidance you may wish to provide would be most appreciated.

Edited at 2008-07-22 07:09 pm (UTC)
[info]crasch wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 07:11 pm (UTC)
Perhaps you should split it into two emails?

1) Thank you note, explaining why you're leaving

2) Request for a meeting/advice.

That way, the thank you note isn't as likely to be perceived as simple flattery designed to get a meeting.

Edited at 2008-07-22 07:12 pm (UTC)
[info]candid wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 07:14 pm (UTC)
Except possibly for the PS, which might be too aggressive (I can't decide), I like this version.
[info]crasch wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 07:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm ambivalent about the P.S. too. My thinking is that I prefer people who are blunt about what they want (in this case, a pitch meeting).

(Normally, my reactions may not be a good guide to relations with other humans, but since Larry and Sergey are geeks too, it may be a better gauge than normal.)

On the other hand, the P.S. may make the earlier compliments (which are sincere) appear to be mere flattery. Which is why I suggested that it may make sense to send two emails -- one a thank-you, and the other a request for a meeting.
[info]akjdg wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:02 am (UTC)
P.S.es make sense for handwritten or manually typed letters, but not for word processed letters or email. Especially not for something so carefully crafted as this email will obviously be. Just don't do it.
[info]crasch wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:20 am (UTC)
I think there's a place for P.S.'s when you have a question or point to make that isn't part of the main body of the letter. However, I agree that it may be too informal for Patri's purposes.
[info]querldox wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 10:22 pm (UTC)
Um, ugh, I'm afraid.

I read this, and it reads like a pure pitch and a "Let me take advantage of being a Googler to beg money from you"

I like the approach of an honest "I'm sorry to be leaving Google, but it's because of this way cool and important idea. Here's where you can learn more about it if interested. Thanks for creating a cool company". Keep in mind that Larry and Sergey are far from stupid. If seasteading sounds interesting to them, they'll learn more about it and get in touch with Patri. If it doesn't, they won't. Making the email sound like it's being sent for no reason other than to pitch just comes across wrong in this context.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree.
[info]mhochster wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC)
- If you want something specific from them, ask in the first sentence. (This is a general rule about asking for favors. If you ask at the end, everything you said before asking is retrospectively tainted).
- Spell "endeavor" the American way, if you're going to use the word (not recommended, reminds me of the future endeavors often mentioned in rejection letters.)
[info]querldox wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 10:18 pm (UTC)
I disagree. This is a not just a request email, but also a "farewell and thanks" email. Giving the background of why he's leaving, and while sad feels the importance of the idea requires him to leave, is needed.
[info]mhochster wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
Google has about 20,000 full time employees -- people don't spam Larry and Sergey with "farewell and thanks" emails when they leave, unless maybe they know the guys, which Patri doesn't. That's why his email has to get to the real point as quickly as possible. The current draft does not make it clear what he is asking for.
[info]querldox wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 11:05 pm (UTC)
Actually, a fair number of former Googlers do do something like that (there are other approaches as well). And Patri isn't one of 20,000. More like 1 of 4,000 or less who've been there for at least 3.5 years.

And it's going to come across better, and have a better chance of being effective, if he just gives the gist of what he's up to and where to learn more if they choose. Again, they're not stupid. If they're interested, they'll contact him. You don't have to spell out in big flaming letters "Hey, I want you to get involved in this and give me money!!!" to them.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:37 pm (UTC)
I guess I figured it would be obvious from the first sentence that I was interested in their help.
Ok, removing endeavor
[info]querldox wrote:
Jul. 22nd, 2008 10:16 pm (UTC)
I can go either way on the use of "grand".

I'd change "to go work" to "that will let me work".

Second paragraph change to "I'm sad to be leaving Google, but I think seasteading is a "Googley" goal; a way ..."

Change third paragraph to "Like you, I want to change the world. Given your own world changing experience, I'd love any advice or guidance you might want to provide. ..." [Left out help because it comes across a bit too strong a begging riff. If they like the idea and want to help, they know they've got money and/or resources to do so. Let's push the advice bit alone at first]

Fourth paragraph change "which so" to "which has so".

[info]dmorr wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 12:18 am (UTC)
Other people have said this, but if you want something out of them, you really need to directly ask. Face time, money, whatever -- if you don't ask for it, you are much, much less likely to get it.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 03:18 am (UTC)
Can anyone confirm if Peter Thiel is looking to make a run for the presidency in 2012?
Can anyone confirm if Peter Thiel is looking to make a run for the presidency in 2012? I found this site: www.peterthiel2012.com
[info]akjdg wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:07 am (UTC)
"'googley'" and "long-tail industry" don't mean anything to me and frankly sound kinda dumb. I presume they mean something in the Google industry/inside the Googleplex/to the Googleites/within the Googlecult?. I don't know your audience, but I do know plainspeak, and thems words ain't it.

(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:39 am (UTC)
Eelco
If you dont know his audience, you havnt been reading very closely. Read again, and youll probably change your opinion on what is sounding kinda dumb here.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:38 pm (UTC)
I assure you that "googley" is an adjective with which L&S are very familiar!
[info]infopractical wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 02:03 pm (UTC)
Aren't Larry and Sergey elitist statists who feel that they should be able to govern all the little people? I mean, they hang out with statist politicians and hire many of the most powerful lobbyists. What makes you think they will be sympathetic?
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 06:28 pm (UTC)
Haha. I thought the same. That's probably why patri doesn't equate seasteading to libertarianism.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
Yes, seasteading is a much bigger idea than any one political system such as libertarianism.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
This is a very distorted view. Yes, they are leftists. They are also fans of using technology to improve the human condition and the world. They are fans of decentralization and moving power towards the people. Leftist policies may not actually accompish those things in practice, but there is definitely some philosophical compatibility between their ideas and mine.

It probably won't work, but I think it would be stupidly pessimistic not to give it a try.
[info]beth_leonard wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2008 07:10 am (UTC)
And if he didn't reply to your message, you can always hope to run into Larry's Lexus as he drives around town.

--Beth
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Aug. 9th, 2008 07:08 pm (UTC)
Lexus? Man, the word at Google was that he had 7 different hybrids, one for each day of the week, for security purposes.

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