haven't read it yet, but this looks interesting. It's got a piece by Robin Hanson, so it can't be all bad.
I am a disbeliever in many definitions of Singularity I've heard (like Ray Kurzweil's Accelerating Returns), yet other versions (that we will eventually have smarter than human AI) seem inevitable to me. So I'm simultaneously a Singularity skeptic and believer.
Or as a wise man once said "There may be two transhumanists out there who agree with each other about everything - but I am not one of them"
:).
UPDATE: Reading the who's who of singulitarians PDF, while I often disagreed, I only twice went "What an idiot, that's ridiculous." Guesses? (not that it should be very hard).
I am a disbeliever in many definitions of Singularity I've heard (like Ray Kurzweil's Accelerating Returns), yet other versions (that we will eventually have smarter than human AI) seem inevitable to me. So I'm simultaneously a Singularity skeptic and believer.
Or as a wise man once said "There may be two transhumanists out there who agree with each other about everything - but I am not one of them"
:).
UPDATE: Reading the who's who of singulitarians PDF, while I often disagreed, I only twice went "What an idiot, that's ridiculous." Guesses? (not that it should be very hard).
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All of the rest of the opinions I think represent reasonably plausible scenarios. Kurzweil is too overconfident about his "definitely going to happen in 15 years" but I still think he and Bostrom have made the best guesses about what we'll see over the next century of anyone on the list.
And this is a really, really stupid thing to say:
Consciousness cannot be duplicated in computational machines, because it depends on “noncomputational physical processes.” Does not know what these might be but suggests it emerges from “large-scale” quantum-
mechanical phenomena in microtubules in the brain’s neurons. “ I’m not saying that consciousness is
beyond physics...although I’m saying that it’s beyond the physics we know now.”
It's one small step from believing in witchcraft, in my book. He's practically positing a soul, even if he wraps it in pseudoscience.
There is nothing remotely beyond today's physics about consciousness.
"There is nothing remotely beyond today's physics about consciousness."
That's a half-step further than I would go. I would say "There isn't any evidence that human consciousness is significantly affected by currently-unknown physics." But a statement about unknowns is inherently impossible to prove. And since we are still fairly far from a good understanding of how consciousness *does* work, it remains (barely) plausible that some fancy physics turns out to be a requisite ingredient. That said, any such physics, if it isn't just magic under another name, will be able to be used to build machines that are conscious, which completely undercuts Penrose's argument.
For more valuable (IMNSHO) insights into consciousness, see Marvin Misnky's latest book, _The Emotion Machine_.
That doesn't forbid a startlingly rapid jump, of course, but it would level off.
Kurzweil, Bostrom, Yudkowski, et al are all very aware and familiar with the limits on information imposed due to black holes and the holographic principle. Vernor Vinge, who originally proposed the term "singularity" it appears was making an analogy to when a coordinate chart ends and cannot map the rest of the manifold... in other words, our current extrapolations about what will happen to the future of technology may only extend to the point where super-human AI takes over, at which point our chart ends and anything afterwords could happen. I think that if Vinge were a physicist rather than a mathematician, he probably would have used the word "event horizon" instead of singularity since that is a more accurate analogy to what he's talking about--even though event horizions *do* represent a coordinate singularity.
Regarding Moore's Law not being able to maintain for more than another 100 years... as I mentioned, most singularitarians are aware that the information density (and processing power density) are limitted by the laws of physics. But as Kurzweil is fond of saying "the limits aren't all that limiting". His view is that we will reach what he calls the technological singularity long before we run into this limit. This is expected to happen once AI's are self-improving their own IQ's at such a rapid rate that there's no possible way a normal unmodified human could keep up or comprehend the changes that are happening to the planet after that.
Pointing out that we'd reach complete saturation of the Bekenstein bound in 100 years only serves to illustrate how fast the current exponential progress is... and how fast we will get closer to that bound and could transform the entire planet and solar system before that time.
This makes this definition of singularity distinctly non-singular.
http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/micha
http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/micha
Responding in detail is so... boring... but if I don't do it, no one else will. :(