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Name poll, part two

  • Apr. 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 PM
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Thanks for the help, everyone. Even though "The Seastead Institute" did slightly better than "The Seasteading Institute", I like the latter better, for the reasons [info]avani, [info]mindspillage and others mentioned. The verb is active, it indicates that we're going to be *doing* things, going places, not just building and studying static structures. And it's different from the surname "Seastead".

The two problems with this are the length ([info]nasu_dengaku) and the fact that a decent-sized minority really doesn't like the word "Institute" ([info]candid, [info]prock, Christina). With that in mind, here's another try:
Poll #1165393 What about these names?
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

Pick one

View Answers

The Seasteading Institute
28 (47.5%)

seastead.org
10 (16.9%)

seasteading.org
21 (35.6%)

Comments

[info]martian687 wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:09 pm (UTC)
I like the name "The Seasteading Institute" for the name of the non-profit organization/company, with the URL being seasteading.org

Kinda like how our company name used to be Interbots Initiative, but our URL was interbots.org
[info]avani wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:11 pm (UTC)
What she said. Also, just to serve as a counterpoint, I really like the term "Institute". It makes it sound, as you said, like something that involves thought and research as opposed to a more generic term.

Edited at 2008-04-03 10:17 pm (UTC)
[info]martian687 wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, what she said.
[info]flamingnerd wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:21 pm (UTC)
same here.
[info]magicpacket wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)
+1
[info]octal wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
I think "The Seastead Project" or "Seastead Project" are clearly the best choices, in that Project implies action, ad hocness, informality, and a desire to actually accomplish something, vs. just study it.
[info]martian687 wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:18 pm (UTC)
As a counterpoint, "Institute" makes it sound formal and professional and credible.
[info]candid wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:20 pm (UTC)
Or "Project Seastead"! You could get Heidi Klum as a celebrity spokesperson.
[info]eruv wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)
"The Seastead Project" just makes me think of the "Free State Project" which makes me think "FAIL."
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 01:43 am (UTC)
ouch!
[info]octal wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 06:10 am (UTC)
That's true :)
[info]mdude1350 wrote:
Apr. 13th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC)
It makes me think of the "Blair Witch Project", even though I havn't watched that movie. :p
[info]madduckdes wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:24 pm (UTC)
I vote no on having ".org" in the name.
[info]crasch wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:30 pm (UTC)
Agreed. I vote for "The Seasteading Institute" as the name with seasteading.org as the URL.
[info]mindspillage wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 05:17 am (UTC)
Agree. To me anything named after a web address sounds like it ought to be describing a primarily or exclusively online thing.
[info]kirinqueen wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:25 pm (UTC)
I like the idea that "The Seasteading Institute" is more likely to lead to the question "what is seasteading?" than "what is a seastead?", which somehow seems less parallel to "homestead" than homesteading/seasteading, perhaps because "homestead" is a more fixed/cliched expression than "homesteading." (As in "back on the homestead.")

ObLingAside: Technically, in this case, "seasteading" is acting as a noun (gerund), not a verb. It's the institute that is about the act of seasteading, not the institute that is performing the act of seasteading. :D
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 01:43 am (UTC)
agreed on "what is seasteading".
[info]dmorr wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 10:47 pm (UTC)
I'm not such a fan of "seasteading" instead of "seastead". (Note: you need to convince firefox those are actually words.) It's more awkward and harder to say, and doesn't really convey anything extra. And it's still a noun, not a verb.

I also would vote against having .org in the name. That's going to be very dated in just a couple of years, I think.

Speaking of which, while your URL will be seastead.org or seasteading.org, make sure you get both and the .coms as well, and have them forward to the right place.
[info]jhogan wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 11:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it does seem like the ".org" thing will be dated in a few years. Just as not many companies refer to themselves as ".com"'s anymore.

The .org is just an address. It happens to have some helpful info about the nature of the business (namely that it's a non-profit), but it's still just an address. You wouldn't name a business after your phone number or street address.

I think google.org (which Matt mentioned) works better because it exists in contrast to google.com.
[info]bennj wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 11:14 pm (UTC)
Unless you're a restaurant, hotel, or apartment complex. Those name themselves after street addresses all the time.
[info]jhogan wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 11:18 pm (UTC)
That's true!
[info]bennj wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 11:19 pm (UTC)
I was thinking about phone numbers and the only one I can come up with is 1-800-FLOWERS, but I would be surprised if that wasn't the only one.
[info]faustin wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 12:10 am (UTC)
Y'all are way off on the primary domain names disappearing.

People were arguing the same thing in 1994. And in 1997. Back when I did internet strategy consulting.

Instead, the English language and quickly enough most every other language on the planet adapted to using domain names and --- FAR more confabulated and unreasonable, even the "www" sudomain.

Now the causal force is operating the opposite direction: we can't get rid of dot-com if we want to, because now it's an established part of the language. Once it's an established part of the langauge, neologisms will take the existing denotation and alter it to create modifications and metaphors.

Yeah, it seems like we should get rid of all primaries because dot-com is so dominant. But this ignores how sticky the already existing infrastructure is --- including the fact of how many conflicts between .org and .com domains there are, with those .orgs being significant real-world institutions.

There's no technological or legal workaround here. Rather, it's much easier for language, naming conventions and human behavior to change, and we've already seen that happen.
[info]grepmaster wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 03:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, it seems like we should get rid of all primaries because dot-com is so dominant.

Heh, maybe if you work for a business magazine and that's all you look at every day. Taking just as a sample those web sites I've used today, there have been plenty of .COMs, at least two .EDUs, many .ORGs, and a couple .NETs.
[info]magicpacket wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
Even other small businesses may not use the full street address, but would use the street name in the business name, e.g. Adams Avenue Bookstore.
[info]dmorr wrote:
Apr. 3rd, 2008 11:19 pm (UTC)
Plus Google is an iconic (maybe the iconic) internet brand, so if anyone should be able to name a piece of themselves after a bit of internet nomenclature, it would be them.

[info]patrissimo wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 06:24 pm (UTC)
I got seasteading.org last night, and already have seastead.org, but seastead.com and seasteading.com have been taken for awhile by other organizations. (One is an HVAC company owned by someone named "Seastead", the other is by a live-aboard boater who thinks that boats are the true seasteads)
[info]faustin wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 12:00 am (UTC)
No go on "institute" -- yeah, in the 80's this was a pretentious way for your non-profit to sound like a research or medical or other high-minded... well, 'institute'.

But now it's just a formulaic signifier of something pretending to be high-minded, at the cost of a multi-syllabic facade. (And yeah, where the term "seasteading" may need explaining depending on the audience, no need for the extra multisyllabic noise.)

I'm with seasteading.org, but you'll have to buy seasteading.com and put a redirect there, for the minority that are looking for you and typing seasteading.DEFAULT. I think the ".org" does mean something -- where this venture is prone to a lot of anti-commercialist criticism, the open source and non-profit affiliation is meaningful.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)
How 'bout seasteadingsexclub.org?
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 01:45 am (UTC)
Infrastructure first, applications later :).
[info]zuleikhajami wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 01:09 am (UTC)
I'm not sure who all you're going to have consulting for this, but I expect any organization named Institute to have Ph.D. or Ph.D.-equivalent like researchers. And when they don't, I find the organization less credible. So unless you are going to have conventionally established or accredited researchers working with you, I'd go for The Seasteading Project (or The Seastead Project). If you are going to have the above, then I vote for The Seasteading Institute.

I strongly vote against seasteading.org or seastead.org as actual names. I think that just looks lame.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 01:47 am (UTC)
Don't 2 masters count almost as a PhD? :). Anyway, I think you & I may have rather different opinions about the value of a PhD :).
[info]evwhore wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 01:42 am (UTC)
just throwing these out there
a trip through thesaurus.reference.com:

academy
alliance
association
asylum
consortium
cooperative
federation
foundation
establishment
guild
society
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 01:48 am (UTC)
Re: just throwing these out there
Foundation was one of the main things I considered, as it is a standard nonprofit term, but it seems less active and researchy than Institute.

Society is not bad, though.
[info]corwyn_ap wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 02:06 am (UTC)
Re: just throwing these out there

I am part of a 'collaborative'. Seasteading Collaborative do it for anyone?
[info]candid wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 11:47 am (UTC)
Re: just throwing these out there
As a bonus, "Seastead Society" could form the basis for all sorts of tongue-twisters.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 02:17 pm (UTC)
Re: just throwing these out there
I would SO check out The Seasteading Asylum.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
Re: just throwing these out there
That's where we'll end up *after* working on it for awhile.
[info]psandler wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 01:53 am (UTC)
What about "The Seastead Initiative"?
[info]bettsbaby wrote:
Apr. 6th, 2008 01:39 pm (UTC)
I like this with the active verb...

The Seasteading Initiative

Initiative - to initiate, to begin ... seems the most fitting so far.

I also like The Seasteading Consortium
(which from what I understand of the project in my limited exposure to it is more along the lines of where it is heading, yes?)

There's been plenty of voiced opinion to back up my feeling that the .org is not a good idea. It is not a virtual organization, you will be creating a very real and tangible thing/place. You'll have a URL anyways...no need to identify that way.

Institute makes me thing you would be studying and creating an academic organization devoted to Seasteading, not actually creating a seastead. (this could be the offshoot when you are ready to have the Seastead University)

Foundations are more for funding and research of certain topics or fields, they facilitate the doers, are not the doers themselves (in general).

That's all I've got...
It's very exciting no matter the name. :)
[info]mdude1350 wrote:
Apr. 6th, 2008 07:00 pm (UTC)
Initiative and Consortium are my personal favorites out of the above, too. I'm also liking the sound of coalition.
[info]skyfaller wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 02:03 am (UTC)
Don't make your official name your URL. It kind of sort of worked for Students for Free Culture when we were named "freeculture.org" but the big problem was that people refused to accept that our name was a URL, and they kept on making up other names for us. To this day, Larry Lessig calls us "the free culture movement" before he corrects himself and says "now Students for Free Culture". It also made it very unclear exactly what our organization was, except a group somehow related to "free culture". The only good thing about using your URL as your name is that, as long as you hold onto the URL, if you decide to change your name to something more sane in the future, people will have no trouble finding the renamed organization on the web.
[info]eilonwey wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 03:10 am (UTC)
Like some others above, I like The Seasteading Institute as the official org name, and seasteading.org as the URL.
[info]mdude1350 wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2008 11:25 pm (UTC)
Re: just throwing these out there
Here are some names that avoid using words that mean "group of people":

Seastead Reasearch and Development
Seastead Design and Construction
Seastead Design and Deployment
Seastead: Nautical Living for the Modern Cosmopolitan
Aperture Seasteading
[info]phildeveau3 wrote:
Apr. 6th, 2008 12:30 pm (UTC)
How about "The Seasteading Revolution"? (or drop the "R")

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