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Can money buy happiness?

  • Jan. 20th, 2007 at 12:20 PM
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An anonymous poster pointed me towards a study which says that while income may not correlate well with happiness, wealth does:
It does not make you as content as getting married or finding a job, but money matters more to making people happy than previously believed, according to new research.

Two studies released yesterday shed new light on the importance of economic circumstances, and undermine earlier findings that poor people are just as happy as the rich.

Money doesn't buy Happiness - or Does It? by the Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research, at Melbourne University, shows that when wealth - not just income - is measured, the rich are indeed happier than the poor.

Earlier research that focused only on income found very little difference in the reported happiness of high-income and low-income people.

Asked the same questions about life satisfaction, rich and poor responded in remarkably similar ways.

Mark Wooden, the study's co-author, said: "This has led some people to say money is not that important, relative to other things." However, when people's assets were taken into account - the value of their houses, cars, art works, even stamp collection - a different picture emerged.
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"Assets were far more important than income in determining happiness," said Professor Wooden. "And when you combine income and assets, money seems to matter more than people thought before."

The study was based on a survey of almost 8000 people aged 25-59. Professor Wooden said income on its own was not a good measure because it could fluctuate, while assets were stable and could tide people over periods of low income.
I would certainly trust wealth a lot more than income. For example, some of y'all are wealthy enough to be retired or semi-retired, but your income is relatively modest.

Comments

[info]traumentwerfer wrote:
Jan. 20th, 2007 10:25 pm (UTC)
I think it would be silly to assume that in a society so incredibly focused and dependent on money, that money would *not* have some (or even a great) impact on happiness.

I think a more useful study would be to take a more socialist society and compare the differences in happiness among the wealthy vs. the less wealthy, and compare those differences to the differences here between wealthy and not as wealthy. (And when I say "more socialist", I don't mean completely socialist or communist, but somewhere in between, such as a European country).

Context changes the definition of happiness, I think that's unavoidable.
[info]prock wrote:
Jan. 20th, 2007 10:32 pm (UTC)
So, money buys you happiness, but only if you don't actually use it to buy happiness. Rather, just having the money is what makes you happy, as opposed to using the money to buy things which won't really affect your happiness.

It's almost, but not really at all, an argument for a strong safety net.

[info]dmorr wrote:
Jan. 20th, 2007 10:37 pm (UTC)
Zuh? When it talks about wealth, it mentions specifically a bunch of stuff you might buy -- cars, stamps, etc. Having all that stuff is what appears to correlate to happiness, not necessarily having lots of cash.

We know from other studies that buying that thing you want won't make you as happy as you think it will, but that doesn't mean it won't contribute to your happiness at all.
[info]prock wrote:
Jan. 20th, 2007 11:31 pm (UTC)
Yes, certainly. I wasn't equating wealth with cash. But there is a difference between consuming wealth, and converting wealth from one form to another.
[info]prock wrote:
Jan. 20th, 2007 11:34 pm (UTC)
Ok, maybe I was equating money with wealth, but I didn't mean to. Honest.
[info]traumentwerfer wrote:
Jan. 20th, 2007 10:55 pm (UTC)
One more point:

"Income" is the rate of change of one's money over time (generally positive otherwise I suppose it would become "outgo").

"Wealth" is a measure of available assets at any given time.

It seems to make perfect intuitive sense to me that Wealth would have an impact on someone's happiness more than Income.

One could make $100k/year yet squander it all and thus never feel secure or really have money for things they need.

One could make $20k/year and manage their money fantastically well, thus always having money for things they need.

Just the difference in amount of stress one has when living hand to mouth vs. knowing you have money in the bank for emergencies in a society where your health and welfare is constantly dependent on money seems like it would have a huge impact on happiness (if "happiness" is in some way affected by stress, which I think it is).

Although another factor to consider is what a person defines as a "need" vs. a "want", (where by "need" I mean something that they will be unhappy without and by "want" I mean something that sounds nice but one can be happy without).

Especially in a society as materialistic as ours, more things may fall into the "need" category that in some less materialistic society would only be in the "want" category. This has some impact on who ends up with Wealth and who doesn't.

So now that we've established that Wealth affects happiness, the question is, what factors determine the quantity of someone's Wealth?

I would argue from above (at least) the following:
1. What is categorized as a "need"
2. How well one's income level allows their "needs" to be met with wiggle room for future needs.

In a less materialistic, yet still capitalist society, my guess would be that it would be much easier to have Wealth (notwithstanding other factors).
[info]dlakelan wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2007 12:49 am (UTC)
In the economic sense, I think "income" is not rate of change of money assets with time, but rather the amount of money one receives from goods sold in a given period of time. So "income - expenses" is rate of change of money assets over time, and that's often called "net income".

It's a good question as to what affect net income has. I think often people with high incomes also may have high expenses, and may be much more at risk from things that alter their income randomly, like illness or a downturn in their company or whatever.

I can certainly imagine that a marketing executive with $12,500 / month ($150k/yr) income and a $7000/mo mortgage, $2000/mo on car payments, $2000/mo on childcare, and $1500/mo in food/clothing/utilities and no savings wouldn't feel all that happy compared to say a University professor who makes $5800/mo (70,000/yr) and has a $1500/mo mortgage, $1200/mo in childcare, ownes a used car outright, and spends $1500/mo in food/clothing/utilities and has $1600/month for savings and healthcare and soforth...

I'm not even taking into account taxes....

But clearly, the point is, it's not how much you make in dollars as much as it is how much satisfaction you get out of the money, and how much stress you have about money that makes the difference.

[info]patrissimo wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2007 06:55 am (UTC)
Right, since most people want to have lots of money, you would expect that higher income would go along with other negatives, like high-stress job or high expenses, due to competition for those jobs.
[info]jamey1138 wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC)
In the economic sense, I think "income" is not rate of change of money assets with time, but rather the amount of money one receives from goods sold in a given period of time.

Probably a good observation: income is not generally thought of as NET income, but gross.

To go all calculus on you: In both models, income is generally the instantaneous rate of change (whether net rate or just the positive side of it)-- whose antiderivative is one component of wealth.

Like all antiderivatives, there's an initial condition to be considered: people who start with more wealth need to earn less of it for themselves, and are generally happy about that.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2007 06:54 am (UTC)
Charles Dickens summarized it something like: an income of 20 pence with outlays of 19 pence is bliss, but a 19-pence income with expenses of 20 pence is disaster.

It is tautological than in a society where people earn the same, consume less, and thus save more, they accumulate wealth faster.
[info]euneeblic wrote:
Jan. 20th, 2007 11:25 pm (UTC)
I don't think happiness is something you can graph, but if you could, it wouldn't be a simple linear correlation. The most intuitive depiction of the correlation between money and happiness I've seen is the "fulfillment curve" in the book Your Money or Your Life. It's a bell curve of wealth (not income) and happiness. As we accumulate more, we get a lot of fulfillment from it, but it tapers off. Right at the top is what they call simply "enough." Once you go past that, it's usually because you're trying to fill some void in your life, and the more you buy, the more empty you feel, like a cranky child with too many toys on Christmas.
[info]prock wrote:
Jan. 20th, 2007 11:37 pm (UTC)
Not having read the book, I wonder how "fullfilment curves" relate to "utility functions". It's well established that most people's utility functions for money are non-linear.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2007 06:55 am (UTC)
as economists say "money has diminishing marginal utility".
[info]jamey1138 wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2007 11:20 pm (UTC)
"Money, like all things..."
[info]spoonless wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2007 12:05 am (UTC)
a couple thoughts
"Both studies agreed that friends, partners, jobs and a sense of belonging to the community were very important to people's feeling of satisfaction."

I think that one issue here is in the use of the word "asset". To me, there are a lot more assets one can have than just the kind of assets you'd list on a tax form. All of the things above are assets a person can have or not have in a way, as is a college degree, a license, or a large network of professionals or friends. All of them can open doors and provide opportunities that would otherwise not be available, and make a person feel happier and freer. But only a small subset of the assets a person has are generaly thought of as "financial" assets... some of them are even biological (eg, g factor).

Some assets can be traded in for other assets, but others are less liquid. The ones that are easier to convert into currencey tend to be more viewed as financial assets, whereas the ones that are more difficult to convert for whatever reason are seen as separate. But I don't really think they are all that different.
[info]fich wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2007 12:57 am (UTC)
I'm not wealthy, nor is my income (as a retired military professional gambler) all that high. But I am plenty happy, and I think it's mostly due to the fact that I no longer have to answer to anyone else.

Wealth gives you autonomy, or at least the ability to choose it.

High income doesn't, necessarily.

I suspect that's a big part of it.
[info]jamey1138 wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2007 11:29 pm (UTC)
A timely post: just this morning, my fiancée and I were talking about the same basic idea. We were already in agreement that our modest financial situation was okay, and that we would like more wealth, but wouldn't like what we'd have to do to acquire it. I exemplified it as, "Sure, I could go get a job making 200 thousand dollars a year, but you'd almost never see me, and when you did I wouldn't be able to stop screaming all the time."

That's why I quite like this distinction between wealth and income: wealth makes you happy. Income can get you wealth, but income probably makes you unhappy. It's a tradeoff, with an optimization that's different depending on several unrelated factors, and one related one: starting wealth.

The answer, obviously, is to be born into a rich family. Sadly, I already blew that one.
[info]adam__selene wrote:
Jan. 26th, 2007 10:08 pm (UTC)
Does the study consider "net" wealth -- i.e. assets less debts -- or only assets?

Having accumulated assets is generally a result of your income exceeded your expenses, which is quite obviously a contributing factor to happiness. Living paycheck-to-paycheck isn't fun, especially if it runs out towards the end of every month.

Income > Expenses is only lightly correlated to level of income.

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