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Fighting gniga

  • Dec. 15th, 2006 at 10:58 PM
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In the last two years I've lost two relatives to a degenerative disease called gniga. Gniga strikes late in life, and is extraordinarily common, being the root cause of perhaps 90% of deaths in the US. Yet for some reason, there is little research being done on how to treat gniga, with the focus mainly being on the individual organ systems it affects. The reasons are unclear - some believe that gniga is untreatable, others believe that it was created by god as part of the human condition, while others think that without it, the world's population would increase unsustainably.

Gniga, of course, is more commonly known as Aging. I previously mentioned that one way to help is to join the Life Extension Foundation. Another is to donate to The Methuselah Foundation, an organization which sponsors the MPrize for extending the lifespan of a mouse, as well as other research into slowing aging.

Since aging strikes us all (except the unlucky), by helping fund this research you not only increase your chances of living a long and healthy life, but those of everyone else in the world. Seems like a worthy cause.

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(no subject) - [info] - Dec. 16th, 2006 08:50 am (UTC)
[info]pjammer wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 11:41 am (UTC)
Ah, beat me to it.

Although I will say that if only longevity was granted only to those who pass a 'doesn't take self too seriously' filter, it would be a pretty nice world to live forever in. Otherwise?

*Shudder*
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 05:01 pm (UTC)
This seems to make the assumption that the people who are involved will be the ones who benefit, as opposed to, say everyone. Or everyone rich enough to afford expensive treatments.

On the other hand, knowing the people involved might make me doubt the realism of the project.
[info]corwyn_ap wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 03:30 pm (UTC)
while others think that without it, the world's population would increase unsustainably.

The human population is already increasing unsustainably. Third derivatives aside (as they are tricky), human population curves will eventually exceed the carrying capacity of the planet. All the projections for a slowing of the growth include 'environmental forces' in the equation. This is a nice way of saying that tons of people are going to die of something nasty (starvation perhaps).

That said, I think that a bunch of people who have serious reason to believe that they are going to live forever, would be a better boost to sustainable living than all other forces combined. Who wants to live forever on a polluted hell hole?
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 05:02 pm (UTC)
That's a great point, I hadn't thought of that. The long-term perspective should make things better, not worse.
[info]olstad wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 07:56 pm (UTC)
I thought you were a big fan of the "with technology, there is no such thing as carrying capacity" argument...?
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 09:51 pm (UTC)
Oh, I am. But this is an interesting second-order effect.

And I wouldn't state it quite as strongly as that. It's foolish to ignore the effect of technology on increasing carrying capacity, but that doesn't mean carrying capacity is infinite. But given that the oceans are neither used for residential space, nor food production except for a little fish, I think we have an awful lot of space left.
[info]corwyn_ap wrote:
Dec. 17th, 2006 05:19 pm (UTC)
Fishing is a declining industry in most parts of the world. Not clear that fish farming is any help (and some that it is a net loss (to commons of course)). Floating hydroponic farms I would love to see a sustainable design for, as that would seem to be the best possible action, and I wonder if it is viable.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Dec. 17th, 2006 09:56 pm (UTC)
Fishing is tapping into a public good. It has the same problem as any tragedy of the commons. Running out of wild fish is to be expected.

Offshore aquaculture is the answer, since the fish become a private stock. There is a lot of progress being made, I went to a conference last year about it.

The optimistic metaphor is to consider that the change in food production from a hunter/gatherer society to a ranching/agriculture was huge - orders of magnitude. Just for changing from harvesting wild stocks to growing domesticated ones (public -> private). It is plausible that going from fishing -> aquaculture will have a similar effect.
[info]corwyn_ap wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2006 02:07 am (UTC)
Perhaps.

Current farm fishing (as I understood it), use large amounts of 'junk fish' (from the commons) to feed the product fish (salmon mostly). Unlike land animals where we eat herbivores. So it is even more devastating than commercial fishing.

There is also concern about antibiotics, oxygen depletion, and disease transmission to wild populations. Have these issues been resolved?
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2006 07:57 pm (UTC)
The feeds that I know of are plant-based, like soy, not fish based. The crop is not salmon, since salmon requires rivers for spawning, right? It's stuff like tilapia.

Disease transmission should be much lower with offshore aquaculture, where you are in the middle of nowhere instead of in a sensitive coastal region. Coastal regions have much more delicate ecologies than the deep ocean. I have not heard of any oxygen depletion issues either. It's much better to do deep ocean aquaculture, there is far more deep ocean, it's less sensitive, etc. Of course, there are more environmental challenges :).
[info]corwyn_ap wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2006 02:17 am (UTC)

I don't think fish works. The change you talk about was not a creation of biomass, but rather converting biomass to human edible form. We currently eat a goodly number of the fish species (or at least the Japanese do). We would need to get in at the lower level, harvest plankton for ourselves, something like that.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 08:41 pm (UTC)
I would think disease would be more the hallmark of the future rather than starvation. Something along the lines of the cholera outbreaks in the early-mid 1800's.
[info]sich67 wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
:)
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[info]jacqueline1776 wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 07:11 pm (UTC)
Your posts on this topic have persuaded me to give my parents LEF memberships for Christmas and get one for myself too.
[info]patrissimo wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 09:51 pm (UTC)
Awesome
(Anonymous) wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 08:10 pm (UTC)
being the root cause of perhaps 90% of deaths in the US

I'd like to meet one of these mystical 10 percenters.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 08:12 pm (UTC)
Nevermind, I am a little slow today. I must not have eaten my weaties this morning :(
[info]jacqueline1776 wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 08:27 pm (UTC)
you can't, they all died of accidents, violence, and contagious diseases before gniga could get them.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2006 09:07 pm (UTC)
Yah, like I said, I'm a little slow today.
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